I always paint my drums and calipers before they are installed, then they look better and last longer. These rear drums were installed on August 24 th of 2020 and removed on May 14th, 2022 when I converted to rear disc brakes; they have 17,517 km's on them; two drums only, were on my 2000 chevy astro van. Lots of stops left in these drums! If they are listed they are available! On west saanich rd about a km from Wilkinson rd heading towards Brentwood Bay.